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Webley & Scott MkIII* Signal Pistol

Up until the mid 1920’s guns were produced as either Webley & Scott or W & C Scott models. Production of Webley & Scott Shotguns continued up until 1978 at which time a seperate company, W&C Scott( Gunmakers) Limited was formed and in 1985 was bought by Holland and Holland. The Webley Self-Loading Pistol was an early magazine-fed pistol. The gun was designed in 1910 by the Webley & Scott company. 1 entered police service in 1911 in a.32 ACP model for the London Metropolitan Police.The.455 version was adopted by the Royal Navy in 1912 as the first automatic pistol in British service. The pistol was also adopted by the Royal Horse Artillery and the Royal.

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Here is a VERY FINE+ example of the English military Mark III* flare pistol, as issued and used during the last part of World War I. The Mark III signal pistol was adopted in 1911, as an improved version of the earlier Mark II pistol, which had been adopted in 1905. Like the previous Mk II pistol, it was a brass flare gun with a tilt-down, break open loading mechanism and a single action lockwork. The Mark III signal pistol was modified in February of 1915 with the addition of a butt swivel, and in December of 1916 the pistol was further modified with the addition of a flanged barrel extension, giving the pistol the look of a blunderbuss pistol. This variant was officially adopted as the Mark III*. The rational for the addition of the flanged muzzle extension was to prevent the hand of the user from overhanging the end of the muzzle when the barrel was depressed for loading and unloading. Although the Mark III* remained in production through the end of World War I, it had in fact been superseded by the Number 1 and Number 2 signal pistols which were manufactured from steel instead of brass. These patterns were adopted in 1915 and utilized many of the same parts as the Webley Mark VI service revolver. During the production of the Mk III* signal pistol, at least five companies including WW Greener, Wolseley (Sheep Shearing Co.), Chubb (very rare “ only 500 contracted for), Cogswell & Harrison and Webley & Scott.

This particular Mark III* signal pistol was produced by Webley & Scott for the British military. The flare pistol is clearly marked with the (WINGED BULLET) / W & S trademark of the firm on the right side of the frame. The frame is also marked with the serial number 104597 forward of the trademark. The last three digits of the serial number, 597 are present on the side of the extractor as well. The left side of the frame is marked in three lines: WEBLEY & SCOTT LTD / LONDON & BIRMINGHAM / III*. The frame and barrel are both marked with British Ordnance Department proof and inspection marks, the Broad Arrow of the Ordnance Department and the number 18 indicating inspection and acceptance in 1918. The firm of Webley & Scott was started by Philip Webley in 1838 in Birmingham. In 1859 the firm became P Webley & Son and in 1877 absorbed the Birmingham gunmaking firm of Tipping & Lawden. In 1897 they took over the firms of both W C Scott & Son and Richard Ellis & Son and the firm was renamed the Webley & Scott Revolver & Arms Co LTD. Philip Webley received a number of British gun making patents during his career the company that bore his name became one of the premier revolver makers in the United Kingdom as well as a major supplier to the British Ordnance Department.

The signal pistol is in VERY FINE+. All of the markings on the frame and barrel remain crisp and clear. The brass frame and barrel have a gorgeous, untouched dark mustard patina with a greenish-brown hue to it. The blunderbuss like, flared brass barrel extension is a slightly lighter color and has more of a golden tone where the barrel would be handled for opening and closing and a darker tone towards the muzzle flare. The flared muzzle exhibits a couple of minor dings, but nothing substantial or excessive. The balance of the brass is crisp and sharp with fine edges and only some light handling marks. The blued iron breech release catch has a smooth brown patina with some traces of finish still present, and the blued hammer and trigger each retain about 50% of their original blued finish, which has faded and blended with a smooth brown, lightly oxidized patina. The action of the pistol functions flawlessly. The breech still closes tightly and securely and the shell extractor functions as it should when the pistol is broken open. The single action lock work is mechanically excellent and the rebounding hammer functions correctly as well. The flare pistol retains the original iron lanyard ring and swivel in the brass butt. There is one triggerguard mounting screw missing from the pistol. The missing screw is the front one, but the rear most screw still secures the triggerguard tightly against the bottom of the frame. The two-piece walnut grips are in VERY GOOD+ condition. They are free of any breaks, cracks or repairs and are quite solid. The grips do show a handful of minor bumps and dings from handling and use, but no breaks, damage or abuse.

Overall this is really fantastic looking example of a really fine Mark III* signal pistol by the famous Webley & Scott company. This would be a fantastic addition to your collection of World War I militaria or of military flare pistols. Other than the one missing screw, there is simply nothing to complain about with this very crisp example. This is a signal pistol that you will be very proud to add to your collection.

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Webley and scott shotguns reviewsWebley & Scott is a company famous for their revolvers. The top-break Webley is as much an icon of the British Empire as the Colt Peacemaker is of the Old West. What many are not aware of is that Webley also manufactured autoloading pistols, beginning with an attempt to interest the British army in one 'way back in 1905. That attempt failed, and Webley contented themselves with turning out a line of pocket autoloaders before making another attempt at a military contract with a new .455 caliber self-loader in 1913.
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Not at all a common find, these pistols were used by the Royal Navy during the Great War, as well as being fielded in small numbers by the Royal Flying Corps and Royal Horse Artillery. The RN discontinued their use shortly after the end of WWII, and many made their way through the usual surplus channels to the US, but their small numbers ensured that they would never be a common sight, even on the collecting scene. When one came into the shop as a box of parts and was revived by Shannon, such a rare beastie naturally caused a bit of a stir. Standing around with my gunsmith and a gentleman from one of the more active firearms importers, with probably sixty years in the gun biz between the three of us, not one of us could recollect having seen one in the steel before.
I had to have it.
Unusually heavy, yet with an awkward grip angle, the pistol points like you're holding a t-square and may be the homeliest non-Japanese handgun I've ever seen. Oddly for a gun so rare, repro grips are available, and Triple-K has catalogued magazines. Cartridge cases can be made by trimming .45 Colt brass to length, turning the rim down somewhat (the .455 Webley Automatic is a semi-rimmed cartridge) and machining an extractor groove. The barrel rides in two angled mortises in the frame, and locks up very much like a SIG: a squared shoulder atop the chamber mating into the ejection port atop the slide. Everything is intricately machined from big chunks of steel and fitted together to a fare-thee-well.

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Other odd features abound: The lockwork is assembled to the grip safety, and the whole mechanism pivots when the grip is squeezed. The pistol has dual ejectors, as well as two different methods of disconnecting (should one fail, the gun won't run away.) The recoil spring is a massive v-spring under the right-hand grip panel ('If the recoil spring breaks, you don't know me,' said my gunsmith.) The slide stop is activated not by the magazine follower, but by the absence of a cartridge in the feedway. You don't need an empty magazine in the gun for the slide to lock back, it knows when it's empty

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. (I think that's a little presumptuous of it, but that's just me...) The drift-adjustable rear sight has little micrometer hashmarks to help line things up. All in all, a piece satisfying both in its historical provenance and in its mechanical quirkiness; I couldn't be happier to add one to the museum.

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Values on these things are all over the map, but a firing example would seem to be at least an $800-$1000 proposition pretty much regardless of finish. The much rarer Royal Horse Artillery model, with its exotic rear sight and slotted for a shoulder stock, commands prices well north of $2k on the infrequent occasions when one comes up for sale.